JEWS AND JERUSALEM
TO A CHARGE-In
a recent undated newsletter, William H. Grotheer, wrote about a visit
which he and his youthful associate (Allen Stump) paid to our place
approximately a year ago. I quote him as follows:
discussion of Luke 21:24, 'the times of the Gentiles was introduced by
Brother Stump. To each question asked, the reply of Ferrell was, 'In my
opinion this' and 'in my opinion that.' Finally, Brother Stump asked
.'Would you mind giving me Bible references to substantiate your
opinions?' At this, Ferrell reared up in his chair, and shouted at Brother
Stump. 'You are not going to put me on the spot. If you don't like my
answers, you can get up and get out of here.' Brother Stump was taken by
surprise, and replied, 'Brother Ferrell, if you had asked me to give a
Bible answer for my belief, I would have been glad to give it.' Again
Ferrell's response in an even louder voice. 'If you don't like my answers,
get out of here.' We did, and Ferrell escorted us to the car, and jogged
back down the incline to his office."-Watchman, What of the Night?
Vol. xxv, No.7.
is what actually happened on that occasion:
and Stump knocked on the door, and Grotheer said they were in the area and
that Stump had suggested they stop by and visit for a few minutes.
the years, in his newsletters Grotheer has disparaged nearly every
individual or group, which has sought to stand for the truth in these last
days including the faithful retired ministers in Australia who opposed
Ford Colin Standish, Ron Spear, John Adam, Joe Crews; and even the
little schools, such as Wildwood. But I decided that, surely, he would not
be able to twist a brief, friendly visit to my place into something
I invited them in and we sat down and the conversation passed to several
matters. (It should be mentioned that, throughout the entire conversation,
neither of them quoted or referred to any Bible texts, other than Luke
21:24.) I was careful in my words, but friendly. Then, Stump changed the
subject and told me to explain Luke 21:24. [". . and Jerusalem shall
be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be
fulfilled. "] (That is the verse used by Grotheer in an attempt to
support his theory that the 1967 Israeli six-day war marked the end of
probation for the Seventh-day Adventist Church.)
no value in trying to enter upon a full-blown effort to convince either
of them that Grotheer's pet theory was in error, I gave a simple
sentence-or-two reply in a cheerful
voice, and that was it. He pressed it again, but we did not carry on an
extended discussion of the matter, as indicated by Grotheer.
far it had been a friendly visit, and I saw no reason to change it into an
argument. Stump's tone of voice indicated it could rather quickly
degenerate into that. Much could have been said, but debate would
I was surprised when, in reply, Stump said in an authoritarian tone, using
the same device employed by Jehovah's Witnesses after they have gotten
into your home: "Well, if you cannot defend your position from the
Scriptures, then I will have to leave."
had been having a friendly conversation, and, in one sentence he had
switched it to an ominous threat. Such a response could seem childish, but
the matter runs deeper than that. Religionists will come to your door (LOR,
Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, etc.) and enter as if on a friendly visit.
Then they will use a similar threat to emotionally shake you down, so
the conversation can be changed from a casual get-together, into one in
which you are emotionally in debt to these strangers in your home. They
make it appear that somehow you are the one who has done something wrong.
So, in order not to offend these people any further, you let down your
guard and, to assure them of your friendship, begin buying the theories
they bring to you.
is a way to take over people, and, frankly, I do not respect those who try
to do it. You should not either, for they are dangerous.
I chose to reply in a matter-of-fact, but firm voice, "Well, if you
want to leave, you may." With that, I immediately swiveled my chair
toward Grotheer, who was sitting at a right angle to us, and in a friendly
tone, asked how he was doing. As I turned toward him, a triumphant smile
was on his face. Then he spoke, intending to turn the conversation back to
his Luke 21 theory: "The treading down of Jerusalem by the Gentiles
ended in 1967. How do you explain that.
me that statement was humorous, in light of the fact that as it has for
centuries Jerusalem since 1967 has continued to have Jews, Muslims
(Arabs), Armenians. Copts, and Christians living in and walking about
within its city limits. In fact, the Jews primarily live in the north and
west suburbs of Jerusalem, and Muslims, Greek Orthodox, Christians, and
Armenians, along with some extreme orthodox Jews, comprise a majority of
the inhabitants of the city within its old walls. Most Jews are unwilling
to live on its narrow streets in dank, poorly ventilated houses. They
prefer the 20th century houses and broad streets and lanes found in the
suburbs of Jerusalem.
more: since the relative peace of the six-day war, hundreds of thousands
of Gentile visitors tourists from all over the world (Europeans,
Americans, Japanese, Australians, South Americans) have walked the
streets of Jerusalem and trodden upon its sacred Temple Mount, the site of
Solomon's Temple (which, in the days of Christ, no Gentile dared step foot
still more: the Arabs permit only their two Muslim temples on the Temple
Mount. The treading down continues. Yet that is the heart of Luke
21:24; that is what it talks about; that is the signal that the predicted
change has occurred: when the treading down of Jerusalem by Gentile feet
Grotheer's question, I leaned back, clasped my hands behind my head, and
replied cheerfully, "Well, since 1967 there has been a lot of
treading down of Jerusalem by the feet of thousands of Gentiles."
Grotheer wanted a discussion, so it appeared it was about to begin.
Recognizing that that one reply-alone-was enough to essentially demolish
his theory that the treading down had ceased in 1967; Grotheer sprang to
his feet as though he had been hit by something and, as fast as he was
able, he went to the door without saying another word. He did not want
Stump to catch the import of my reply.
and I followed along behind, and as we went I cheerfully asked Stump how
old Grotheer was. The conversation had terminated so quickly, that the
young man seemed perplexed as to what had happened. In a chastened
voice, he said that Grotheer was 68. Then he spoke to Grotheer, In front
of us, and dutifully asked him if it was all right to tell me that. I
continued conversing happily as though nothing had happened, and walked
with them to the top of the hill. Grotheer continued saying nothing. As
they were driving off, I waved goodbye, and then ran back down the hill to
you would like an extra copy of Jerusalem and the Mount-Part 1-3
[WM-393-395], which replies to Grotheer's theory in detail (although I did
not mention him by name in that study), ask for it when you write. Luke
21:24 predicts a future historical event. In that study, I used both Bible
and history (nearly 4,000 years of it) to reply to Grotheer's Luke 21 :24
theory, and show that that verse will not be fulfilled until "He come
whose right it is" Jesus Christ at His Second Advent. (Ezekiel 21
:27) I published that in-depth analysis (Jerusalem and the Mount), in May
1992. It will provide you with a fascinating review of the entire history
of that city, so central to the three major religions of mankind.
I gave Mr. Stump my "opinion." I have written thousands of
pages, yet I am not ashamed to say it. Whatever I say or write is only
my opinion. Whatever you say or write is only your opinion. The closer
we get to Inspired Scripture, the closer we get to fact. But we do not
arrive at it until we are actually reading it!
prophets of God give facts. Even our observations of nature, history,
and science may not be correct. For example, what you read in Great
Controversy is historically accurate; what you read in this present
tract may not be.
more we recognize our own fallibility, the less likely we are to try to
coerce others into accepting our beliefs. Men would do well to throwaway
all their theories, and just read the Word of God. Sin began in heaven
when Lucifer decided he could know truth apart from God.
Jews will never regain true governmental control of Jerusalem until they
have the authority to rebuild the Temple on the Temple Mount. And that
they will never have, since the Temple Mount and its two mosques constitute
one of the three holiest shrines in the Muslim world. The Jews may manage
the city, but it will never really belong to them until they are free to
rebuild the Temple. They know it, but are helpless to change the
the past 25 years many meetings have been held to consider ways to do it.
Architectural plans have even been drawn up. But the Jews dare not move
forward with those Temple plans. Instead, they must content themselves
with worshiping at the foundation stones which undergird the Mount. Not
the restored Temple but the wailing wall, the same stones before which
their ancestors stood and prayed for centuries, must continue to be their
sacred place. They well know that millions of Muslims throughout the Near
East, Asia, and Africa would arise and go to war, to stop such a
desecration: a Jewish worship center on that summit; their third holiest
place after Mecca and Medina.
entire city of Jerusalem continues to be "trodden down"
underfoot-trodden by the Gentiles. So the prophecy of Luke 21:24 has not
yet met its fulfillment. It is as simple as that.
you want to see Grotheer change the subject quickly, mention that point to
him. He will begin quoting Maxwell, a theology book, someone's sermon,
Greek, or something else. But he cannot answer to the fact of everyday conditions
in Jerusalem. Go there and see for yourself. By Jewish decree in 1967, the
Gentiles continue to tread underfoot every holy place and everything
else in that city. To pacify the Muslims, that 1967 law issued immediately
after the six-day war had ended declared that men and women of every race,
nationality, and religion could go throughout the city. And they do it
every day. Thus we have, not only an issue of treading down, but also of
governance and ultimate control: the Jews have not yet been permitted to
rebuild the Temple on the Temple Mount. Therefore they have not
"returned to Jerusalem," in a true sense of governmental
ownership. Their efforts to regain control of the city will continue
fruitlessly, on down to the coming of Christ.
21:24 will not be fulfilled until the return of Jesus, "whose right
CONTINUING CRISIS IN JERUSALEMOn
May 15, 1967, Israel celebrated the 19th anniversary of independence
with a small parade on the edges of Jerusalem. But, unknown to its
leaders, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan decided that that day would be the
beginning of the end for the Jews in Palestine. As 50,000 Egyptians moved
up from the south, and 12,000 Syrians headed southward from the north, a
station in the Old City of Jerusalem, Jordan Radio broadcast this message
to the Jews: "The day of reckoning has come." The six-day war
quickly followed, the details of which are outlined in our tract study,
Jerusalem and the Mount.
Meir, in her autobiography My Life, later wrote: "The State-was
facing the greatest threat it had known. . only a thin line of brave young
men stood between us and disaster on the Canal and Golan Heights for the
first two or three days. But at the start they had no chance. "-Golda
Meir, My Life, pp. 353, 360.
was confronted with one of the largest combined standing armies in the
world: 800,000 men, over 2,000 tanks, 150 antiaircraft missile batteries,
2,000 heavy guns, and 500 front-line planes. A near holocaust ensued.
the situation changed. Six days later, on October 24, Jewish forces were
within 20 miles of Damascus, and occupied 300 square miles of Syria
proper. Jerusalem and the West Bank had been entirely taken. On the south,
the Jews had taken the Sinai peninsula, all the way to the Suez Canal.
1918, a British Foreign Secretary told the Jews: "You know, I believe
that when the guns stop firing, you may get your Jerusalem."
Forty-nine years later the Jews finally became managers of, what had
become, a gigantic Gentile treading ground. For, never before in history
were so many non-Jews tramping through town, as in the last half of the
the Jews still cannot really call it theirs. For centuries, they drank
the toast with their wine at Yom Kipper: "This year, and always,
Jerusalem!" Yet Jerusalem, now under their commandants, is still not
theirs. For they cannot restrict the footsteps of the Gentiles from the
holy place on the Temple Mount.
the ages, Gentile merchants and travelers have always passed through
Jerusalem. Luke 21:24 is speaking about a restriction of their feet from
the Temple Mount. Since A.D. 70, Gentiles have walked on the Mount; they
still walk there; 1967 changed nothing in regard to that factor.
have taken the City of God. We are entering the messianic era for the
Jewish people. Rabbi Shlomo Goren, senior chaplain to the Jewish
forces at the Wailing Wall in October 1967.
David Ben Gurion put it more bluntly:
who are standing on the threshold of the Third Temple, would not be as
patient as their fathers." Only when the Third Temple is erected on
that holy hill can the city be theirs. But that structure will never be
built. Millions of Arabs come to pray at the shrines on the Temple
Mount, commonly called the Dome of the Rock, and they will not give it up.
To the Arabs, it is the sacred Haram es-Sharif, from which
Muhammad is said to have flown to heaven on a winged horse.
to the distraught Jews, who nominally control the city, it is the sacred
Mount Moriah, which Abraham journeyed to with his son Isaac.
thirty acres have been the focal point of Jewish religion for thousands of
years, yet it continues to be denied them. Never again will they place a
temple on its brow. A.D. 70 marked the end. "Your house is left unto
you desolate" (Matthew 23:38), Jesus said. And it is so.
"Looking down the ages, He saw the covenant people scattered in
every land, 'like wrecks on a desert shore.' "-Great Controversy, 21.
will continue to be scattered to the end. Jewish leaders are so
disheartened over their inability to regain the Temple Mount, that they
have not even gone ahead with plans to erect the substitute $10 million,
1,700 seat "Great Synagogue" in the heart of the new city (to
the west of the walls of the old city), next to the Heikhal Shlomo,
Israel's chief rabbinical offices.
chapter one of Great Controversy carefully. The destruction of Jerusalem
and its Temple occurred because of disobedience to the Law of God.
Restoration of both could never come without heartfelt repentance and
obedience, which the Jews, in their blind rejection of Christ, refuse. It
is also a powerful symbolic prophecy of the destruction of a disobedient
world at the end of time. For the Jews to be able to reverse the
prophecy without corresponding repentance and obedience, would
nullify the predicted destruction of the disobedient at the Second Coming.
Saviour's prophecy concerning the visitation of judgments upon Jerusalem
is to have another fulfilment, of which that terrible desolation was but a
faint shadow. In the fate of the chosen city we may behold the doom of a
world that has rejected God's mercy and trampled upon His law."-Great
in its totality will never be restored to the Jews. Contrary to what
Grotheer claims, the treading down will continue.
GREEK OF LUKE 21 :24-
The Greek of this verse reads essentially like that of the King James
Version: "And they-will-fall by-mouth-[edge] of-sword and will-be-Ied-captive
into the [non-Jewish]-nations all, and Jerusalem will-be
(being)-trodden-down by nations, until are-accomplished times
nations and their peoples will continue to tread down Jerusalem until the
Second Advent, and their governments will continue to harrass Jerusalem
and its governmental leaders until the Second Advent, in accordance with
Daniel 2. (See the next part in this series for more on this topic.)
someone hands you a paper or book, you may wish to take it home and read
it. You may be invited to view a video or listen to an audiotape with
friends you know. A speaker may arrive in town and you may decide to hear
his message. Assuming that Ericksonian hypnotists are not at work, you may
be able to quietly consider what is said. You remain free to think as you
please about it.
in contrast, there is an ominous danger in placing yourself in a meeting
with men who, after or without an Initial lecture-begin interrogating you,
and demanding responses of agreement and commitment to their cause. Fear
such men! They are dangerous.
come to you with a carefully pre-planned set of teachings. Armed with a
battery of arguments and quotations, they are determined to overcome your
defense and change your beliefs and loyalties.
are a normal individual, and, as such, are extremely unlikely to be an
expert in the subject they are promoting. You need to time to hear, and
then return home to pray and consider it further. But these professionals
do not intend to give you that opportunity. They do not want God to
guide you; they intend to do it themselves. We are told in the Spirit
of Prophecy that whenever a man tries to control the mind of another,
Satan always controls the mind of the controller. By virtue of the
unlawful access he is trying to gain over another mind, he has given
consent for Satan to take possession of his own mind.
mind-grabbers work best in teams of two: First one will come at you and
wear you down with questions and counter-arguments. Then he will sit back
and rest for a time while his associate takes over. With every passing
minute you are becoming more weary and confused. Back and forth they go.
They do not consider you a friend, but merely merchandise to be taken and
used for their own purposes. They want your obeisance and your money And
they want you to lead them to more victims.
of such men.
their effort to later catch others, they will viciously attack your
character. The LOR crowd regularly do it; others, using their methods, do
the same. These men are not your friends. From day one they are your
enemies. They live to conquer or destroy. If you can identify them ahead
of time, do not let them in the door.
us say that someone asks you to come to his house to view an Osborne
video. You may wish to attend. In doing so, you will have opportunity to
think candidly about what is presented. After the presentation you may
discuss it with friends, and then return home and compare Scripture with
Scripture. Or you may sit down and thoughtfully read an issue of Firm
Foundation. All is well. As always, you are on guard lest error be
presented, but your mind is not being violated.
when two or three men come to town to speak in small meetings, or knock at
your door and ask for entrance, the situation may be far different.
Beware when you find yourself in a gathering in which persuasive professionals
begin working the audience as a whole, or singly, to accept and decide
that same day. Beware. When you find yourself in such a situation, utter a
warning to those present, then take your loved ones and depart!
of men who seem more interested at sidestepping worthwhile replies, than
in arriving at truth for truth's sake. Beware of those who seem adept at
parrying points, switching from one thing to another, and determined to
confuse and conquer you.
out of there.
will come to your home, to change proffered hospitality into a
search-and-destroy mission. When you then find that they want to start you
on a emotional roller coaster ride, spiraling downward into slavish
acceptance of their errors; BE ALERT early on, and get off the ride! If it
requires some aroused emotional speaking to get out of there or get them
out, then pray and do what is necessary.
God's little children speak to you, they exalt Jesus Christ and
obedience to His laws. But when the selfserving converse with you, they
are more likely to seek to entrap you in an artificial guilt trip, which
they will then use to bring you into servitude. They try to spring your
guard door, so they can walk past your principles and gain access to your
soul. In it all, they may think they are only serving their own interests,
but, unknowingly, they are polished instruments in the hands of Satan to
serve his interests.
I discovered when Grother and his associate came, some people are able to
transform an open door and a friendly handshake into an opportunity to
capture, or, failing in their objective, they may later vilify the one
who managed to withstand their devices.
LOR ("Lord Our Righteousness" Church, also known as Life
Supports) is still at work making disciples. You will recall our
extensive tract series on this in 1989 (This is LOR-part 1-5 [WD-50-55]).
Wayne Bent continues on as its leader. From his headquarters in northern
Idaho, he is sending out teams to catch the people of God. Some of these
teams align with LOR and circulate Bent's literature; others, when asked,
declare they have nothing to do with LOR and then present the same
false teaching of instantaneous perfection. One team landed not far from
here and soon after one of the team members was having intimate
relations with a mother and wife in the local Adventist church, after he
had converted her to LOR brand of "perfection" and "freedom
from sin." Upon their arrival, they stayed in the homes of the local
members, appeared very enthusiastic, and their message went something
like this: "We have the true gospel. No, we're not in LOR or from LOR,
but we have overcome all sin, and you can do so tonight by a single
decision to unite with us. You will be eternally lost if you refuse to do
so. We are sinless. This is your last chance."
much more information on how the LOR teams travel the countryside,
visiting small groups, using intense one-evening pressure and hypnotism to
make converts, read the above named-tract set, which may still be available
singly but will also be available in our tractbook, Offshoots.
are some of Bent's publications: Jesus: the Gates of Hell Shall Not
Prevail Against Him (188-page white softcover); His Only Gift: A
Testimony (186-page blue softcover); Life and How It Supports You
(136-page reddish soft cover). Tracts include his 8-page Lord Our Righteousness
journal, and reprints from it; His Life Supports Study Guides, with such
titles as The Harvest, The Testimony of the Son, What is the Son's Life
Like? and miscellaneous tracts, such as God's True Church, and The Deer.
IN NEW MEXICO-
"J S came to our area to give some talks, along with S S.
These men have done a lot of damage in the short amount of time they were
here. They speak against the Godhead concept, and greatly undermine faith
in the Spirit of Prophecy writings. JS says he believes Ellen White was
a true prophet of God, BUT that all her writings have been tampered
with, therefore we cannot trust them. Using 1 John 4:3, he said that Jesus
was only human and not divine, and did not have a human/divine
nature and that anyone who disagrees with him is the antichrist. He
also says that Christ did not exist from eternity. Any Spirit of Prophecy
quotes that prove the contrary, he claims to have been changed." -New
LETTER FROM NEW MEXICO-
"Some of my friends have been taken up in a 'new' old heresy. Two
teachers came two weeks ago, J- S and SS. They are teaching
that (1) there is no Godhead. They teach that (2) there was a time when
Christ did not exist. (3) Then He was begotten of the Father and was
"made into" a god. (4) That when Christ incarnated, He was human
only. (5) That the Father raised Christ from the dead by His power, not
Christ's. (6) That the Holy Spirit is not a Person, but simply the spirit
of the Father through Christ to us.
have about three dozen good Spirit of Prophecy quotations which
contradict these teachings, but the new teachers said that, while they
believe Mrs. White was a prophet, her writings have all been 'tampered
with' and 'worked over,' so that we cannot now know her teaching on any
doctrinal subject. Trying to argue with these people about the Godhead
is like going at it with Jehovah's Witnesses. It's like talking in
circles. They twist every verse around, so it does not say what it appears
to be saying. -New Mexico.
years ago we compiled our Godhead tract specifically to answer these
heresies about Christ and the Holy Spirit. Ask for a copy of that tract
when you write (The Godhead-Part 1-2 [DH-201-202]). The Bible-Spirit of
Prophecy truth is that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are equally,
fully, and eternally divine in the fullest sense. They are three distinct
Personages, existing from eternity past through eternity future.
believers who are willing to believe that the Spirit of Prophecy is
unreliable will sooner or later go into Satanic error, and lead others
there also. Your only safety will be found in believing and obeying the
teachings of the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy. If you are not willing to
do so, you have stripped yourself of your defense against Satan's attacks.
True teachings will be found, not in the misapplication of a passage here
or there, but in the obvious meaning of a number of statements. Yet is
vital that we know for ourselves what is right, for those teachings are
our life, health, and eternal safety.
completing the first part of this set, I decided to add additional
In-depth coverage of this special passage of Scripture.
GREEK OF LUKE 21:24- The Greek of this verse reads essentially like that
of the King James Version:
21:24, Part One: "And they-will-fall by-mouth(edge] of-sword and
will-be-Ied-captive into the [non Jewish]-nations all,"
21:24, Part Two: "and Jerusalem will-be (being)trodden-down by
nations, until are-accomplished times of nations. "
first half of Luke 21 :24 refers specifically to events in A.D. 70. At
that time the Jews were led away captive. (They did not remain
"captives" in the centuries which followed; the carrying away
into captivity occurred in AD. 70.)
last half of the verse applies to some point in these last days.
we will briefly analyze the six key words in the last half of Luke 21:24;
then we will use the knowledge gained to answer some questions. (The Greek
letters e" and "o" will be capitalized when they refer
to Eta and Omega.)
lerousalEm. In nearly every one of the 152 times it is used in the New
Testament, the literal, earthly city of Jerusalem is indicated. Luke
21:5-6, 20-24 clearly refers to this well-known Palestinian city, and not
to the New Jerusalem.
DOWN patoumenE from pateO. "Tread down or upon." This word
can be used in two senses: (1) to literally walk upon, and/or (2) to
ceremonially desecrate by stepping on a holy place, literally or
the New Testament the word is used 5 times: "tread" (Lk 10:19 tread on serpents; Rev 19:15 tread the winepress); "tread
down" (Lk 21:24; 1 Cor 9:9 and 1 Tim 5:18 treading the corn
underfoot); "tread under foot" (Rev 11:2 treading underfoot
the holy city).
interesting parallel word, not used in Luke 21:24, is katapateW. It has
the stronger meaning of tread down or trample underfoot. It is used
literally in Matt 5:13; 7:6; Lk 8:5; 12:1, and figuratively in Heb 10:29.
in Luke 21:24 appears to refer to literal walking upon, with consequent
ethnE (pl.) from ethnos. This word, ethnE (pl.), means people of the same
type or race.
In the singular, it means the "Jewish race" by itself (Lk 7:5;
23:2; Jn 11 :48, 50-52).
In the plural (as found in Luke 21 :24), it means "nations,"
or "Gentiles," that is, "non-Jewish nations or peoples"
(Matt 4:15; Luke 21:24; Rom 3:29; 11:11; 15:10; Gal 2:8).
In several instances, it refers to non-Jewish converts to Judaism (Rom
11:13; 16:4; Gal 2:12, 14; Eph 3:1).
by ethnE (pl.) in Luke 21:24 is clearly meant all the non-Jews who have
walked the streets and Temple Mount of Jerusalem since AD. 70, and the
vast hords of them who are today tramping its streets, and stepping on its
holy place: Syrians, Palestinians, Egyptians, Europeans, Americans,
Japanese, Christians, Greek Orthodox, Catholics, Copts, and mixed-blood
European, African, and Soviet half-Jews.
will be trodden down by non-Jews, until the times of the nations are
accomplished" (Lk 21 :24, Greek). The "times of the
nations" ends at the Second Advent, as predicted in Daniel 2,not
hou. Alone, achri can mean "even to, until, as far as." But
when combined with hou, it becomes even more forceful. Jerusalem would
definitely be stepped on, or desecrated, by non-Jews until a definite
event: "the completion of the times when the non-Jews were placing
their defiling footsteps" on the most sacred place of the Hebrew
(pl.) from kalros. a specific measure or proportion; when used of time, a
fixed or definite timespan. But sometimes it can mean "an opportune
time" or "opportunity." The words of Luke 21:24 would favor
the meaning of "until a definite time span is ended or certain
event occurs." But please understand; no time prophecy is here
intended, but rather a terminal event; that event is the end of the
defiling steps of the Gentiles.
plErOthOsln from PlyroO. The root meaning is "to fill," or
"fill up." In relation to time, "to complete a certain
amount of time" (Mk 1:15; Lk 21:24; In 7:8). Acts 7:23 means "he
was fully forty years old," rather than "about forty," used
as a rounded number. Acts 9:27 "when two years were completely
finished." So the allotted time span or type of condition or
activity is completely ended when the promised event occurs. A cut-off
paint involving a finality is here referred. That event will be the end of
the defiling treading within the city.
concludes our study of six key words. Now let us consider how that
Information applies to several key questions:
does Rev 11:2 relate to Luke 21:241 Luke 21:24 speaks about literal
Jerusalem (21:5-6,20-24), whereas Rev 11:2 is not speaking about the
literal city. Revelation 11, and the chapters surrounding it, are filled
with symbols. Try reading Rev 11:1-2 and applying it literally, and see
if you accomplish anything. Do it with the surrounding verses.
suggest that "temple" in Rev 11:2 applies to the heavenly
Sanctuary where Jesus has ministered on behalf of His people since before
the time John penned the Revelation. Shortly after 1798 (when the 42
months ended), the most holy place of the heavenly Sanctuary would be
opened (in 1844) as God's people rediscovered the importance of obeying
the Ten Commandments and the Seventh-day Sabbath (Rev 11: 17, as explained
in GC 433). We have already found that Luke 21:24 refers to the literal
city, not to a non-earthly temple as described in Rev 11:2. Therefore I
suggest the two passages (Rev 11:2 and Lk 21:24) are not related.
addition, not only do the two spans of time refer to different things, but
they end with different events. And there is more: the Greek of Luke 21:24
requires that a definite event occurs exactly when the span of time is completed
(see "times" and "fulfilled," above). But Rev 11:2
would place that end in the year 1798, when the 1260 years ended.
meaning of "tread" applies to Luke 21:24?
The two primary meanings are to step on with one's foot, or to trample
down, PareO mainly uses the former, and katapateO uses the latter, But,
since Luke 21:24 used paleO, it would appear the word in that verse
probably means "step upon" in the sense of "walk upon"
or ','walk upon, resulting in desecration," rather than "trample
down to destroy,"
"Gentiles" In this passage refer to foreign national
governments or to foreign peoples?
If you check the 93 passages where ethnE (pl.) ("Gentiles")
occurs in the NT, you will discover that each instance of its use refers
to people, not to nations (bordered political nations, or national
is an important point. Our view of Luke 21:24 is that the "treading
down" is by non-Jewish peoples as they step on and thus desecrate old
Jerusalem and its holy place. In contrast, the alternative view is that a
single foreign government took Jerusalem in AD. 70. Other foreign
governments took it in later centuries, and the last foreign government
was driven out by the Jews in 1967, thus ending the "times of the
the word "Gentiles," as used in the NT, does not apply to a
government, or even to a single nation. It applies to non-Jewish
"peoples." In fact, rarely (if ever) does the New Testament
single out the peoples of a single non-Jewish nation or race as being
"the Gentiles." That term is applied to all the non-Jewish
nations, taken as a whole. Recall again the striking fact, mentioned
earlier, that ethnos (in the singular) only appears in the New Testament
as applying to the Jewish people. In all other instances, it is in the
plural (ethnE) and means all the non-Jewish peoples, taken as a whole,
the times when the Gentiles are treading on Jerusalem and its holy place
ENDS when non-Jewish peoples stop treading on Jerusalem and its holy
places, NOT when one or several foreign governments, ruling the area, are
is the meaning of "times of the Gentiles"? This is what occurs
during the span of time mentioned in this verse, while they are
foot-defiling the city. That span of time began in A.D. 70 (Luke 21:24,
first part; read it again). It would end at some later time.
in what way did the "times of the Gentiles" actually begin in
A.D. 701 This brings us to another important point. Verse 24 explains that
it is when non-Jews began stepping in desecration upon Jerusalem. But a
question remains here:
was being stepped on in desecration? The only part of the city to which
that would apply, would be the Temple Mount. Prior to A.D. 70, non-Jews (pedelers,
travelers, merchants) had walked throughout most of the city for more
than a thousand years, but not until AD. 70 did they walk on the Temple
Mount. The key point here is that, strolling elsewhere throughout the
city, would not be a desecrating act. So our attention tends to focus on
the Temple Mount. What else would we focus it upon: Herod's palace? The
Roman Pretorium? The pool of Bethesda? the Gate Beautiful? The shops and
homes of the people? There was nothing else in the city which could be
"desecrated." Read again chapter one of Great Controversy, if
you would know which part of Jerusalem was sacred and able to be
did the "times of the Gentiles" end?
Verse 24 provides us with that answer also: it ends when non-Jews no
longer desecrate with their steps that part of Jerusalem, which their
steps are able to desecrate. Never before in human history have so many
non-Jews walked on the Temple Mount, as they do today. Call your travel
agent, plunk down several hundred dollars, and your own feet can, within a
few weeks at the most, be treading all over the Temple Mount.
this stepping upon, treading down, or desecration of Jerusalem and its
Temple Mount could not END in 1967. Absolutely not. All the prophecies
point to the final Sunday law crisis, the investigative judgment, the
final judgments upon Babylon and its followers, and the Second Coming of
Christ as the crucial climatic events of the future; they do not point to
a one-week battle in 1967, the occupational results of which are still
that terminal point be a definite, final one?
Yes, it must. The changeover is total, complete-and final, never to be
have already found that, according to the Greek of this passage, the
stepping on and desecration of the city and its holy place completely and
fully ends exactly at a definite time.
the 1967 event does not fulfill that specification (the six-day war only
increased the problem, for tourism really boomed after its end); the
Second Advent of Christ clearly does. Luke 21:24 turns our eyes toward-not
a mid-east squabble of the Jews with three nearby Arab nations, but that
majestic moment in history when Christ returns for His people, and the
wicked are slain.
again after that return, will the wicked ever again set foot in Jerusalem.
Why so? Because this world will be totally desolated by His coming, the
wicked "nations" will be slain, and only wicked angels (and
angels are not "nations") will remain. After the millennium, the
replacement New Jerusalem will come down from heaven, and the nations will
never again defile it with their steps! Yes, they will surround it, but
they will not step inside it. Thankful! Thankful! Thankful! God will reign
supreme, and His people with Him forever!
21:24 IN THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY
If you look in the E.G. White four-volume Index, you will find several
references to Luke 21:24. But when you look them up, you will only find
allusions to the A.D. 70 destruction of Jerusalem and the taking of the
Jews into captivity. You will find not one instance in which Luke 21:24 is
quoted. Then, if you turn on your CD-ROM, and check further, you will find
that Ellen White never quoted that verse anywhere in her writings.
can that one verse be so crucial, if it is not quoted even once in the
Spirit of Prophecy? We can all agree that it is a significant verse, but
it surely is not as important as some would suggest.
OF CONTEXT OF LUKE 21:24
An understanding of the surrounding verses should help us better
understand Luke 21:24.
24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 essentially parallel one another. Yet the message
of part two of Luke 21:24 is not found in either Matthew or Mark.
the following outline, notice how Luke 21:24 fits into the overall
21:5-6 Disciples show Jesus the gigantic stones of Herod's Temple and
remark on their magnificence and durability. Jesus predicts that they will
eventually be thrown down.
21:7 The disciples inquire when the destruction of the Temple will
21:8-12 Jesus introduces the subject by briefly describing several
21:12-19 He then warns them of the persecution they will experience.
21:20 The promised sign of impending disaster to Jerusalem is given.
21:21-23 He tells what the disciples should do when the city becomes
21:24a The fall of the city, and the carrying away into captivity of
the unrepentant Jews is foretold.
21:24b The prediction is given that non-Jews will walk on top of the
city's holy place for a lengthy period of time.
21:25-26 Signs at the end of time are then given, warning-of the near
approach of Christ's return.
21 :27 The Second Advent of Christ is described.
21 :28 The purpose of the Second Advent (to redeem His people) is
21:29-36 A parable and concluding warning is given.
through the above outline again, and comparing it with Scripture, we
find that, after the initial questions are asked by the disciples
(21:5-7), Jesus briefly lists some of the problems His people will
encounter in the centuries to come (21:12-20).
He returns to the beginning point: the destruction of the city itself.
Note that the initial question was not about Jerusalem, but about the
Temple area (21:5-7). So Jesus, in His Luke 21:24 discussion, first
mentions the slaying of many Jews and the captivity of the rest. Then He
tells the most terrible part of all: He has already told them that the
Temple stones would be thrown down, but now He adds that the heathen
would walk on the site for a long time thereafter! To the disciples, this
must have been the worst tragedy of all. After each previous destruction
of the city, the Jews had eventually returned and rebuilt the Temple.
But not this time. He told them the tramping desolation would continue
till the time came when non-Jews no longer overran the city and its holy
are given no reason here why that time had to come before the Second
Advent. There is no mention of a six-day war fought by the Jews.
Jesus briefly summarizes several primary signs of the end (21:25-26)and
then Quickly brings the disciples face-to-face with that great event
which would eliminate the "times of the Gentiles": the Second
Coming of Christ Himself to redeem His people (21:27-28).
the vantage point of the first-century understanding of the disciples,
what could later abolish the Gentile steps from Jerusalem's holy place?
Well, they might think that, perhaps, it could be a total rebuilding of
the Temple, followed by a strict watching of the gates and walls
surrounding it day and night, lest a Gentile enter it. The disciples might
have thought that would be the fulfillment of Luke 21:24.
Jesus had something far more grand in mind: The fulfillment of Daniel
2:44; 7:14, 22, 27 and Luke 21:24 would be the same! No pathetic barring
of man-made gates and watching on the walls surrounding an earthly
building. When Jesus told the Jews that their house was left unto them
desolate, He meant it for all time to come. Because they refused to accept
Him, their worship services were desolated to the end of time.
we today are not in the first century. We have the vantage point of
late-20th century viewing, and we also have Early Writings and Great
Controversy on our shelves. We know modern history and see clearly that
the Jews have only partly returned to Jerusalem. But more; that Jesus
described the situation today with astounding accuracy: In Matthew 21:24,
He did not predict that the Jews would not return to Jerusalem, for He
knew they would; instead, He predicted that the trampling of Gentile feet
on Moriah's height would continue on down to the very end.
exquisite accuracy of that prophecy, in what it said and what it did not
say, is astonishing.
let no man now attempt to break the prophecy, by having it say what it did
not say. In Luke 21:24, Jesus declared that, in Jerusalem it would be
"business as usual" continual desecration of the Temple site
from A.D. 70 all the way down to the Second Coming.
they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive
into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,
the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." - Luke 21:24.
PART 6- Trying to Give Jerusalem to the Vatican.